3 seniors per year from 2023-2025, 9 total

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after that? WHo knows.

A great move, IMO

Coaches and contributors combined
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So, there will be 3 senior players per year, then?

And the coach/contributor slots combined into only one inductee for both categories? Is that correct?
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GameBeforeTheMoney wrote:So, there will be 3 senior players per year, then?

And the coach/contributor slots combined into only one inductee for both categories? Is that correct?

"As the Hall pointed out in a release Thursday, the changes don’t guarantee that three will be elected, but they do give more seniors the opportunity for enshrinement."

They still need the 80% vote, as I understand it---"In addition, 12 seniors will be presented as semifinalists to the group's sub-committee for discussion after two reduction votes."

And yes, coaches and contributors categories combined for this three years
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Great News Finally !!

Take the lead committees-voters, at least three super seniors in next three years ...

2023 Wishlist

Wistert
Howley
Gradishar

2024 Wishlist

Lewellen
Craig
Sharpe

2025 Wishlist

Dilweg
Brito
Smerlas
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Howley may get another chance ...
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 04/21/2022



HALL OF FAME’S BOARD OF TRUSTEES APPROVES CHANGES TO SELECTION PROCESS BYLAWS

REVISIONS OPEN DOOR FOR ELECTION OF UP TO 3 FROM SENIORS CATEGORY FOR NEXT THREE ELECTION CYCLES; MAXIMUM CLASS SIZE COULD REACH 9


CANTON, OHIO – The Board of Trustees at the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Thursday approved several changes to the Bylaws governing the selection of Hall of Fame enshrinees.

Among the most notable revisions: Hall of Fame voters over the next three election cycles will consider three Seniors Finalists for enshrinement each year, effective with the Class of 2023, Class of 2024 and Class of 2025.

With this change, the maximum class size each of those three years could be nine individuals.

The move to enlarge the number of Senior Finalists for the next three years reflects the Hall’s desire to assure that all worthy candidates receive an opportunity for Hall of Fame consideration. After a thorough review of the existing Selection Committee Bylaws by Hall of Fame staff, the Hall’s Board of Trustees and the Hall of Fame Selection Committee, it was determined the now-approved changes would provide a more comprehensive examination of the backlog of eligible Seniors – players whose careers ended more than 25 years ago – and potentially increase the number of worthy candidates elected during this three-year period.

Through another change in the Bylaws, 12 Seniors will reach the Semifinalists stage of the election process after two reduction votes. Each of these 12 candidates will be “presented” to the Seniors Committee – meaning the careers of more players will be discussed at greater length than in the past selection meetings.

“Members of the Selection Committee have made it clear they wanted to get more Seniors ‘in the room’ for discussion,” said Jim Porter, President of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. “From those initial conversations, the team at the Hall of Fame overseeing the Selection Process worked with the Board to create a path for those committee discussions that could lead to possible enshrinement for more Seniors.”

The changes in the Bylaws don’t guarantee three Seniors will be elected over any of the next three years, but it does give the Selection Committee the opportunity to elect more of the eligible Seniors awaiting consideration for enshrinement.

In conjunction with the change in the Seniors category, the Hall of Fame’s Board of Trustees approved a change in the Selection Committee Bylaws covering the next three election cycles that merges the candidates from the Coaches category and the Contributor category. One Finalist will be eligible for election from this combined group in the Classes of 2023, 2024 and 2025.

The Bylaws also were modified so that the reduction voting process for Seniors nominees and the Coach or Contributor nominee will be expanded to mirror the multi-step process used to determine the Modern-Era Player Finalists. This, in addition to expanding both the Seniors and the Coach/Contributor Committees from nine to 12 members each, further will assure a more thorough examination, presentation and debate on potential candidates.

No changes were made in the process of choosing Modern-Era Players – those whose careers ended between five and 25 years prior to the election year – for potential enshrinement.

With the revisions to the Bylaws, the Classes of 2023, 2024 and 2025 potentially could be comprised of nine individuals: up to five Modern-Era Players, up to three Seniors and up to one Coach or Contributor.

The Hall of Fame’s Board of Trustees reviews and approves Bylaws for the Selection Committee annually.
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This is great news, John. Thanks for sharing it.

Some people I'd like to see get in (although more listed than possible):

Al Wistert
Billy White Shoes Johnson
Lionel Taylor
Sterling Sharpe
Otis Taylor
Joe Jacoby
Karl Mecklenburg
Randy Gradishar
Clay Matthews
Jay Novacek
George Taliaferro
John Wooten
Bum Phillips
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The senior committee for the HOF will obviously be looking at All-Decade selections for basing the possible 2-3 elected senior inductees per year over the next three years but accolades and postseason success have to play important roles as well.

According to Pro-Football-reference.com, these players have the most first team AP All-Pro selections without making the HOF ... (Will try to research UPI selections later)

Jim Tyrer -- 6 selections
Lavvie Dilweg -- 5
Ox Emerson -- 5
Riley Matheson -- 5
Jimmy Patton -- 5
Larry Grantham -- 5 (AFL)
Chuck Howley -- 5
Verne Lewellen -- 4
Al Wistert -- 4
Lionel Taylor -- 4 (AFL)
Earl Faison -- 4 (AFL)

Based on accolades and championships, some multiple, many of these players should be slam dunks.

Accolades for recent senior finalists (Based on AP selections on Pro-Football-reference.com)

Chuck Howley -- 5
Randy Gradishar -- 2
Joe Klecko -- 2
Eddie Meador -- 2
Ken Anderson -- 1
Ken Riley -- 1
Maxie Baughan -- 1
Roger Craig -- 1
Tommy Nobis -- 1

If anyone has similar UPI selections on these players, please let me know.
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Brian wolf wrote:The senior committee for the HOF will obviously be looking at All-Decade selections
Also, MVPs, Def. Player of Years...one thing about many of those left outside looking in is that
they lack ALL the boxes being checked

Howley, for example, is fully qualified, IMO, but does lack All-Decade.

Nobis, IMO, is pretty qualified, got All-Decade more on projection, only played 4 years in the 1960s . . . is that enough? Well, it was

Then Lambert go All-1980s playing just 1980-84 and in 1984 he barely played. Butkus in 1970s is All-Decade, played 4 years.

I always wonder if 4 years is quite enough to be All-Decade. Obviously, to those who voted at the time it is, there are guys
who played 3 (Earl Campbell) . . . but he didn't get into HOF because he was ALl-Decade, he had MVPs. Stats, etc, the highlights
the accolades, the "testimonials" and the "wow" factors. It's just that he'd be better suited for a mid-1970s to mid-1980s decade team
than the 1970s.

It will be interesting . . . All I care about at this point is there are enough slots to get 9 guys out of the swamp rather than 3
over the next 3 years . . . and that is a good thing.

I suspect that it will stay at 2 from then on, though that is a guess.
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With the HC/Contributor category combined, which makes sense, hopefully this is the year for Buddy Parker to get his due. Wouldnt surprise me if the HOF Board Of Owners, ... er Trustees, compromised in favor of seniors to ensure Robert Kraft or Art Modell get elected. We will see ...

Hopefully Jack Vainisi and Eddie Kotal will get long looks as well ...

2023 - 2025 Wishlist

Buddy Parker(HC)
Jack Vainisi (Personnel)
Eddie Kotal (Scouting)
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